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Ross Bentley

Our Annual Season Review and 2022 Goals

This Episode Kicks Off Our 5th Podcast Season

Our win at PittRace
We Won Our First Race Ever

GHIT 0278:  Our Annual Season Review and Goals Episode Starts our 5th Podcast Season

We take a look back at how our team and drivers 2021 racing season went and compare it to our planned goals.  We did have quite a year and accomplished quite a bit.  How did we do versus how we wanted?  As always, you will have to listen to find out.  And as always, the episode ends with each of us giving our 2022 goals for ourselves and our team.  We would love to know if you have any 2022 goals that you can share and wish you have the best year ever, both on and off the track.

Bill with Ross Bentley
We FINALLY Met Ross Bentley

If you would like to help grow our sport and this podcast:

You can subscribe to our podcast on the podcast provider of your choice, including the Apple podcast app, Google music, Amazon, and YouTube etc. Also, if you could give our podcast a (5-star?) rating or even better, a podcast review, we would greatly appreciate it and it would help us to grow the passion and sport of high performance driving.

For instance, leaving an Apple Podcast rating is very easy.  If you go to your podcast library, under shows and click on the podcast you can leave a (5?) star rating and enter your review. 

We hope you enjoy this episode!

PS  Please don’t forget

that if you are looking to add an Apex Pro to your driving telemetry system, don’t forget to use our discount code for all Apex Pro systems you will receive a free Windshield Suction Cup Mount for the system, a savings of $40.  Just enter the code “ghitlikesapex!” when you order.  They are a great system and truly invaluable in safely increasing your speed on track and/or autocross etc.  The recently released second generation systems and app increases the capability of the system greatly.

Best regards,

Vicki, Jennifer, Alan, and Bill

Hosts of the Garage Heroes In Training Podcast and Garage Heroes In Training racing team drivers

Vicki
Vicki Preparing for her HPDE
The Wilson sisters
Three Wilson Sisters Raced This Year

Highlights for this episode are:

1)  Alan now organizes, preps, and runs his own car, the MooStang.  We learn how this went for his first season and what we are still working on.

2)  Looking back at where we were going into this season versus where we are now, there has been a ton of progress.

3)  While the goals we all had were great, some of the discussion helps us to better define both the progress we made, as well as refining the path forward from here.

4)  We did a great job of getting a bunch of new people to the track and several drivers to the track that raced with other teams.  That is the primary reason we started this podcast and is fantastic!

5)  Guess who says “I’m not just here for the Slurpees, lol”.  Not a big surprise for you long time home gamers.

6)  We all are looking forward to trying as many different tracks and racing series as we can this year and maybe for the first time working with a coach at the track.

7)  We managed to make a Max Headroom reference within the episode.  You never know where we may wander.

8)  Vicki and Alan cannot seem to remember when they each earned their black flags this year.  We also had a few black flags from several of our friends that drive with us this year.  Notably, none of our all ladies team earned a flag a the Thompson event.

9)  Every year we go over what issues our cars had at the track and what we did (or are going to do) to resolve the issue long term.

10)  We have determined a key indicator that implies that a specific spare part is required for our race cars.

11)  Tips we learned on testing and replacing wheel studs for our cars.

12)  Vicki is bored winning???

13)  Our traditional Good, Bad, and the Ugly for the 2021 season.

GHIT 0278:  Our Annual Season Review and 2022 Goals Episode Starts our 5th Podcast Season

shifting points
Training for Our First All Ladies Racing Team (That Kicked Butt!)
The Buillac Trunk
We Painted Amanda’s Awesome Buillac Trunk
Racing with Chris Fix
We Raced With Chris Fix and His Team
Mia learning to drive
Mia Started Learning to Drive
Strong theming game
Out Theming was on point

Ross Bentley Coaches Our Team

  • Ross Bentley
    Ross Bentley

GHIT 0250:  Ross Bentley Coaches Our Team

Ross Celebrates Episode #250 and Coaches US!!!!!!!!!!

Did you ever wonder what a driving coach does for their driver?  We were always curious.  Ross Bentley was kind enough to show us the start of the process.

Ross Bentley was kind enough to continue our tradition of having him on as a guest to help us celebrate every 50 episode anniversary.  And as long as he keeps saying yes, we will keep asking him, lol.  For this episode, Ross was kind enough to offer to help coach Vicki and Jennifer.  While the exact recommendations may vary between the two ladies, the process that Ross follows could be applied to your own racing/driving and the suggestions Ross makes may be able to help you specifically as well.  One thing that we learned during this episode was that we really want to work with Ross as a coach even more now after seeing what he is able to do in this short period of time.  We cannot remember a time where Jennifer and Vicki were more excited to get back to the track and try out Ross’s suggestions.  As always, when we have Ross Bentley on, this is a good one and we are adding it to our can’t miss episode collection. The way that Ross coaches is so easy to apply, it is amazing.

If you would like to help grow the sport of high performance racing and our podcast,

you can subscribe to our podcast on the podcast provider of your choice, including the Apple podcast app, Google music, Amazon, and YouTube etc. Also, if you could give our podcast a (5-star?) rating or even better, a podcast review, we would greatly appreciate it and it would help us to grow the passion and sport of high performance driving.

For instance, leaving an Apple Podcast rating is very easy.  If you go to your podcast library, under shows and click on the podcast you can leave a (5?) star rating and enter your review. 

We hope you enjoy this episode!

PS  Please don’t forget that if you are looking to add an Apex Pro to your driving telemetry system, don’t forget to use our discount code for all Apex Pro systems you will receive a free Windshield Suction Cup Mount for the system, a savings of $40.  Just enter the code “ghitlikesapex!” when you order.  They are a great system and truly invaluable in safely increasing your speed on track and/or autocross etc.  The recently released second generation systems and app increases the capability of the system greatly.

Best regards,

Vicki, Jennifer, Alan, and Bill

Hosts of the Garage Heroes In Training Podcast and Garage Heroes In Training racing team drivers

Highlights from this episode include:

1)  Ross starts off with what tracks do we like and why.  We end up talking a good bit of this episode about Mid Ohio, especially in the wet.

2)  What are the first three questions that Ross asks nearly every student he works with?

3)  Ross comes up with some great practice techniques that Jennifer and Vicki (and you) can do while driving to break some bad habits and train preferred habits away from the track to improve your on track performance.

4)  We learn the importance of even minor improvements and how then can multiply over a lap or a stint and create some very large improvements in the lap time results.

5)  Looking for alternatives to braking later or harder?

6)  Ross also works with Vicki on several ways to help her (and you) stop over slowing for a turn

7)  We also go over goals and ways of handling pressure and using pressure to improve.

8)  How being too polite on a track can actually become unsafe

9)  Ross also works with what the biggest ahh hah moments were for Jennifer and Vicki this year.

10)  We love drills to try, especially at an HPDE or an open track day.  Ross gave us some new ones to try.  And we will at our next event.  We will report back after or NJMP event in early November.

11)  After the last podcast with Ross, we missed one of the listener questions related to breaking down a turn backwards.  Sorry for the delay.

To find even more of Ross Bentley’s wisdom and information, several of our favorites are available at:

1)  The Speed Secrets website:  https://speedsecrets.com/

2) His Podcast:  Speed Secrets is available at all the podcast platforms that we know  https://speedsecrets.com/speedsecrets-podcast/ 

3)  His Virtual Track Walks:  https://speedsecrets.com/virtual-track-walks/ 

4) The weekly newsletter can be subscribed to at:  

Speed Secrets Weekly

5)  Free Track Maps:  https://speedsecrets.com/trackmaps/ 

6)  Free Driving tips:  https://speedsecrets.com/driving-tips-2/ 

7)  Free or nearly free eBooks:  https://speedsecrets.com/ebooks/ 

GHIT 0250:  Ross Bentley Coaches Our Team

Ross Bentley and Eric Meyer

Lessons Learned

From Our First Year of Racing & Performance Driving

For Ross Bentley’s Speed Secrets Weekly Newsletter – Article #1

Our BMW E36 at the Charlotte Roval
Our BMW E36 at the Charlotte Roval

As many of our listeners know, Ross Bentley is a frequent guest and when we were discussing racing, Bill was honored when he asked if he could write that up. So we did. Here it is. Our thoughts on our early lessons learned as an endurance racing team.

In conversations with Bill Fischer over the past few months (I was a guest on the Garage Heroes In Training podcast that he co-hosts), we talked about the journey that he and his teammates have been on since jumping into racing. As someone who has done HPDE, track days, autocross, skid pad training, and a few different forms of racing, I asked Bill to share with you his main lessons from the experience – good and bad. Not surprisingly, since he’s always looking for the key principles behind every activity (ideally, that he can put in a spreadsheet – very engineer-like), he had a list of these very things, and was more than willing to share with you.

Enjoy!

Lessons Learned from Our First Year of Racing & Performance Driving

(or Focus on the Basics & not the Shiny or the Fancy)

by Bill Fischer

It all started innocently enough. Our son was at an age to start preparing to drive and we were “experience” enough that our bodies were looking for something to do (other than beach volleyball that required less speed, jumping, and especially landing). At the same time, several other influences converged, and we began to form our own racing team. To say we knew what we were getting into would be an absolute fabrication. Our starting point consisted of:

  • Zero mechanical skill
  • And if we did work on a car, it would be in our front yard or driveway as our current house had no garage
  • No tools to work on a car

What we did have was an interest and three family members: Vicki, our team CFO (and my beautiful bride), and our son Liam who was almost seventeen and knew everything (but was an exceptional driver while still awaiting his driving license), as all sixteen-year-old boys do LOL, and me.

We quickly assessed our options and interests and decided to start with endurance racing; after all, the car was only $500 and how hard could it be? Our first race went better than expected, so naturally, we added a second car and five more drivers (two of whom had never driven a manual transmission). As the law of averages usually works, we made up for our good fortune at our first race by easily quadrupling the work and complexity of our new two-car racing team; we made sure many other teams felt better about their performance by having both of our cars finish just outside the top 100 for the race. Dreams shattered, we quickly said, “This is fantastic!!” We could not wait to learn more and do better at our next event. The hook was set and several years later, we are still learning as we go, and documenting our learnings with our podcast. If anyone you know has ever doubted that they could race a car or that they could ever drive on a track, we are literally an example that it can be done. We have documented that it is not only possible, but among the most fun things that anyone can ever do.

I realize that I am probably preaching to the choir, but sharing our sport with others, and the fun and thrills that can be had while driving a car at (or even close to) the limit is an experience that is hard to replicate in a normal day. Our goal was to get more people to try any type of competitive or non-competitive driving and to experience the fun that we’ve enjoyed.

Are we a top team? Not close. Not yet. But we are working our way towards being better drivers, racers, and a better racing team. We have learned many, many things while racing. Some were what to do, but equally important were the many things we learned not to do. Thankfully, we did not have to figure them out personally, but learned through our new friends with whom we went to the track or raced against. We were able to improve and learn every single event, session, stint, lap, and even tried to improve every turn.

Since we focus on the goal of eventually becoming “Garage Heroes” by working on the “In Training” part, we wanted to share some of the key aspects we’ve learned in our first few trips to the track, races, HPDE’s, and autocross events during our first racing season. Many of these may be second nature to some or even most of you, but often it’s helpful to look back at where we’ve been and what we’ve overcome, especially when we feel like we’re stuck on a plateau or not progressing (not to mention some of the competitive personalities that are drawn to our sport!).

By far, the three biggest contributors to our team’s growth (and any racing team’s success) have been driving instruction, mechanical skills and knowledge, and team organization. The biggest waste of time and money were in making the car faster, cooler/better looking, or other go-fast, turn-better items, no matter how impressive they looked in the paddock.

While the mathematical fallacy of “90% of all drivers believe they are better-than-average drivers” exists (and may underrepresent the actual situation), even if you are an experienced, good driver on public roads, driving a car at the limit at a track, parking lot, or runway etc., is an entirely different endeavor; doing so requires a level of concentration, skill, and different technique that is often counterintuitive or sometimes even exactly opposite of what you would use on a public road (e.g. gaining traction by coming off the brake or reducing your steering wheel input to turn more sharply etc.). Our team started racing without any instruction, and looking back, it probably hurt us more than the seat time helped us. What we did do well in our first year was attend several different types of HPDE’s, track days, autocross events and classes, karting schools and races. We then determined which type fit our personal and team goals best and then which organizations we preferred to work with that would help our team’s drivers’ progress.

In addition, there are great resources that can help to shorten the process of driver improvement even when not behind the wheel – obviously Ross’s books and website, along with several others that are available. The truth is you can learn a large amount while not at a track; the tricky part we’ve found is finding what you need, when you need it, and to have it “click” to better get you to that next incremental step. So, while I could easily list several of our team’s favorite resources, it really doesn’t matter what the information or technique is, but more about when you’re ready to receive it and incorporate it into your repertoire. Also, we have found that re-reading a book, or re-listening to a podcast, can often seem like you are getting a whole new message, even though the words have most likely remained unchanged since you first read or listened to them. Also, podcasts are a great way to get in some motorsport-related training while driving on a public road (twice as much at two times the speed, but that may not be for everyone…).

Mechanical skills are the second area that has helped our team while racing, both in pre-race prep and at the race when/if we have a mechanical issue. While we were not fortunate enough to have an extensive mechanical background from growing up nor from training, we did add a few drivers who did, and even more importantly, we found a large group of welcoming friends and friends-to-be within the paddock. These folks were not only interested in us and how things were going, but in many cases, were more than willing to help us figure out the problem, or in some cases, more than willing to “elbow” us out of the way and personally fix the problem while explaining it all to us. The most surprising aspect we have seen in racing is the interest and willingness of the other teams and drivers to help each other get out on the track and compete. Apparently, it is widely known that passing someone on the track or beating their best time is much more fun than having them stuck in the pit or paddock! The racing brought us to the track, but the people are really what has kept us here. As such, we always tell anyone who wants to try high performance driving or racing, do not worry too much about the mechanical part; there are lot of resources to learn from and people willing to help. It truly is a great community.

The third aspect that has had the biggest impact on our team’s performance is team organization and preparation (even more important than the driving). It really is simple math: if we could improve our lap times by two seconds over a full ~500 lap race, our team could save 1,000 seconds or a bit over sixteen minutes. But if your pit stops are slow or your team is not prepared and ready, or if the car is not ready to start the race, or breaks down during the race etc., you can see how even extraordinary driving improvements over a long race can be easily squandered with bad team organization. Our biggest improvements were around prepping for the race, bringing the right tools, fluids, parts, etc. and having them in the right place to have a car ready to be on track and to reliably finish. When we didn’t perform well, it directly correlated to our prep and organization, not our driving. This does not even address the level of stress involved in what is supposed to be a fun race day or weekend, or the reduced cost of making up for things that were not addressed properly. The local auto parts store will not like it if you come prepared, but your race results will certainly improve!

As mentioned earlier, making your car faster, handle better, and even look better can involve a large consumption of time and budget – without giving you the performance increases you may expect. It has been proven to our team, and to many others with whom we race, that there is a near limitless rabbit hole that while attractive, may not provide you with the benefits you strive for. At best, your car may look or sound better, but it’s likely that you’re hampering your driving development, and the lap times will not reflect the time and money spent. At worst, many things can make your car worse by being less reliable, and sometimes even slower. Additionally, as you progress, you may find that the changes you made do not fit your driving preferences. It is almost always much better to focus on the basics – the fundamentals – and not the bright and shiny options, especially early in your career.

We do have one area that we support improving on the car side of things and that is changing to a good DOT 4 or even higher-temperature racing brake fluids and an argument can be made for switching to high performance street and/or racing brake pads. The increase in safety is complemented with potentially faster lap times, so if you must scratch your car-tweaking itch, try to limit yourself to this domain. (P.S. Your potential budget savings could easily get you back out to at least another event or two).

We routinely look at every event and see what we can do better. We are even silly enough to do it publicly on our podcast for posterity (for everyone to hear). It has helped our team in the past and will help us in the future. Experience wasted can be one of the costliest losses any driver or team can have. Our team continues to grow and improve, and we will always be “In Training.”  So should you!

– Bill Fischer

Bottom line summary, focus on any potential lessons learned at each event can be critical to your progress.

   

GHIT 0233:  Ken Hill on Driving and Riding

  • Jen Hill Racing
  • Ken Hill at the Ridge
with Students
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GHIT 0233:  Ken Hill on Driving and Riding

Ken Hill is an accomplished motorcycle racer and sought after coach.  Ken was kind enough to join us for a great discussion on track driving and riding.  While often thought of as very different, most of the skills and techniques translate fully between riding a motorcycle and driving a car on a track.  Ken has a podcast that goes into a lot of Ken’s preferred techniques and philosophies about track riding that Ken had developed to assist him in his personal progression as a competitive racer and then refined them with his work with the very best of the best riders and drivers in the world.  Once we had listened to Ken’s podcast, we simply had to have him on because he has a way of conveying the information that is unique and often leads to a deeper or different understanding of the principles that often leads to those “Ahh Hah” moments each of us is looking for when at the track.  This is one of our must listen episodes if you are looking to grow as a driver, rider, and racer.  As is his podcast, creatively titled as the Ken Hill Podcast.

PS  We end up using PittRace as an example track during this episode so if it is safe, it may be helpful to have a track map during some of our conversation.

If you would like to help the podcast,

You can subscribe to our podcast on the podcast provider of your choice. This includes the Apple podcast app, Google music, Amazon, and YouTube etc. Also, if you could give our podcast a (5-star?) rating. Even better, a podcast review. We would greatly appreciate it and it would help us to grow the passion and sport of high performance driving.

For instance, leaving an Apple Podcast rating is very easy.  If you go to your podcast library, under shows and click on the podcast. There you can leave a (5?) star rating and enter your review. 

A link to the episode is: https://tinyurl.com/ThompsonPart1  

We hope you enjoy this episode!

PS  Please don’t forget that if you are looking to add an Apex Pro to your driving telemetry system, don’t forget to use our discount code for all Apex Pro systems you will receive a free Windshield Suction Cup Mount for the system, a savings of $40.  Just enter the code “ghitlikesapex!” when you order.  They are a great system and truly invaluable in safely increasing your speed on track and/or autocross etc.  The recently released second generation systems and app increases the capability of the system greatly.

Best regards,

Vicki, Jennifer, Alan, and Bill

Hosts of the Garage Heroes In Training Podcast and Garage Heroes In Training racing team drivers

Highlights from this episode include:

1)  We start off with a discussion of the potential consequences of high performance riding and driving.  This is often glossed over but is an important aspect of our sport. It must be kept in mind whenever participating on the track.

2)  Ken also goes into some of his history starting with cars and then transitioning into motorcycles and recently completed the loop by adding his first personal race car.  

3)  His personal story started a bit later than what is typical and had an unanticipated benefit to his riding and coaching.  Since he started late and had “less time”, Ken focused on how he could progress as efficiently as possible and make up for lost time.  This began his search for the fundamental principles and techniques. This has formed the foundation to his personal riding and the riding and driving of his students.

4)  To the surprise of no one, the importance of vision skills has been demonstrated as a key technique to improve as a driver and the great news is that this can be trained and improved to help virtually anyone interested in performance driving and riding.  Ken also goes into the importance of what to look at (content), when to look at things and for how long (timing and duration). We also overview of some of Ken’s eye training techniques. 

5)  We go into the correlation between riding a motorcycle and driving a car on track.  The similarities are not quite 100% transferable, but it is pretty close in most cases.

6)  Our podcast has tried to bring in some of Ken’s principles, especially in our Dominating with Dawson segments with Ben.  In this episode, Ken clarifies these concepts further and we go into his methodology of breaking down a bit further.  We finally do a much better job at discussing what is an entry corner and what is an exit corner. This categorization can determine how that affects the optimal path and input timing within the specific turn.

7)  The key items we discuss are the five principles that Ken utilizes to break down high performance riding and driving.  1)  Bike/Car placement, 2)  Vision/Focus, 3)  Motor Controls, 4)  Brake Adjustability, 5)  Turn in Point/Turn in Rate, 6)  Body Position/Body Timing 

8)  Ken may have provided the key to Jen and Vicki’s high speed braking zone issues that have limited/plagued them this season.  We hope to see Ken at Nelson Ledges later this year. We would love to do the drills with Ken in the parking lot. 

9)  What are the 5 fundamental reasons for crashing?  1)  Lack of Focus/Lack of a Plan, 2)  Abrupt inputs, 3)  Rushing Direction (entry), 4)  Repeating a mistake, 5  Overconfidence

10)  We also discuss the 5 reference points of each turn:  1)  Exit Apex, 2) Entry Apex, 3)  Slowest Point of a Corner (EoB), 4)  Turn In Point, 5)  Beginning of Braking (BoB).  Another key is to work backwards, just as these are written and discussed.  Additionally, we also touch on how to determine the Vital Point for each turn. 

We have a ton more questions for Ken and hope to have him on the podcast again, soon.  Please let us know if we missed something or were unclear during our discussion.

Links we discussed during the episode:

Instructing

GHIT 0233:  Ken Hill on Driving and Riding

2021 PittRace HPDE with NASA GL

PittRace Track Map

GHIT 0218:  Our 2021 PittRace HPDE with NASA Great Lakes

Our season highlight is the NASA Great Lakes HPDE event at PittRace and this year was no exception.  Our team attendees consisted of Jennifer, Vicki, and Liam in the HPDE 2 sessions, and Bill was in the HPDE 4 group, as well as auditing several of the HPDE 1 and 2 classrooms and track sessions.  As always, we were joined by our Three Pedal Mafia/Everyone racers podcast friend Chris, Chrissy, Jeff, and Jim.  In total, we had 8 drivers in our paddock area in the HPDE classes and 6 cars for this event. 

In addition, our next gen trainees were all over the go karting track there and even raced a friend from the Penn State Formula SAE team from our Lemons races in NJMP and PittRace this year, Eric Junker.  As a super special addition to the event, Ross Bentley was also an attendee and was helping out in all areas and levels of the event.  We are very sure he is tired from this weekend, but it was great to finally meet him in person.

PS  Sorry for Bill’s audio, apparently his microphone did not work during this episode.

PittRace Paddock
Paddock with friends makes this even better

Looking to help the podcast?

You can subscribe to our podcast on the podcast provider of your choice. This includes the Apple podcast app, Google music, Amazon, and YouTube etc. Also, if you could give our podcast a (5-star?) rating? Even better, a podcast review. We would greatly appreciate it and it would help us to grow the passion and sport of high performance driving.

For instance, leaving an Apple Podcast rating is very easy.  If you go to your podcast library, under shows and click on the podcast. Then you can leave a (5?) star rating and enter your review. 

A link to the episode is: https://tinyurl.com/PittRaceHPDE2021

We hope you enjoy this episode!

Morning meeting with Ross
ROSS BENTLEY in Person!!!!!

PS  Please don’t forget that if you are looking to add an Apex Pro to your driving telemetry system, don’t forget to use our discount code for all Apex Pro systems you will receive a free Windshield Suction Cup Mount for the system, a savings of $40.  Just enter the code “ghitlikesapex!” when you order.  They are a great system and truly invaluable in safely increasing your speed on track and/or autocross etc.  The recently released second generation systems and app increases the capability of the system greatly.

Best regards,

Vicki, Jennifer, Alan, and Bill

Hosts of the Garage Heroes In Training Podcast and Garage Heroes In Training racing team drivers

GHIT 0218:  Our 2021 PittRace HPDE with NASA Great Lakes

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